رضا پهلوی نگفته هرکس طرفدار من نیست یا مجاهد است یا تجزیه‌طلب

BBC Correspondent (Kasra Naji): "Thank you very much, from the BBC television. I just wondered, you said your compatriots have called on you to lead this transition period. But that's obviously not the case. There are a lot of people who don't support you within Iran and outside Iran. My question is: why have you not been able to unify these people? Why is it that you're not the voice of all of the Iranian people? Why is it that Western countries are not supporting you or endorsing you as the voice of the Iranian opposition? Thank you very much."

Reza Pahlavi: "Well, this is a very typical question I expect from the network that you represent. Um, look, uh, you say it's not true. You tell me: Have you heard any other names called in Iran other than mine? There have been people who... [Interruption]... you had your chance, you asked the question. Yeah, I'm answering now. Please do.

The fact is they called my name. Is my name written on the walls there? It is me that they chose to trust to lead this movement. I'm not saying that I have 100% of people on my side. Of course I have my enemies. And there are obviously elements that do not adhere to those four core principles. You might have separatists, you might have pro-regime reformists, you might have groups like the MEK. Certainly they are not my friends. And I do not represent them. Of course I don't represent them because they are not adhering to the principles that I described.

But all those who are prescribed to the four principles, we are together. And among them you will find a quite diverse number of people. We have Republicans as we have monarchists. We have people on the left, on the center, on the right. We have athletes, we have artists, we have representatives of ethnic communities, religious minorities. Many of them were in fact in this very city in Munich when we had the last gathering a few months ago. And you will see a lot of them present in fact today in the demonstrations that are set for Munich, that will be speaking to the crowd and there'll be in fact quite a diverse array of people. If you want proof, go and check it out and you'll see that unlike your premise, in fact it is quite diversified and a lot of people are supporting and they're supporting my leadership. Many of them understand that I'm a bridge to that destination. They support me today even though tomorrow they may vote for their preferred system of government.

And I'm not here to advocate for monarchy or a republic. As a matter of fact, I told them as an honest broker, I'm remaining above the fray. My position is neutral towards the outcome. Let the Iranian people by the ballot box determine their majority wish for the ultimate system they want to have. And if we all respect the democratic process, we should also respect the ballot box and the result of that free election. That's all I'm asking for. Not just the Iranian people, but for the international community, particularly democratic society to value, because this is something that they have in their own countries. That's exactly what we want to have in our own country as well.

And the western countries…

That's what I said. Free democracies first and foremost.

Why are they endorsing?

Because I'm not asking for an endorsement. I'm not asking for a personal endorsement. I'm asking them to support the Iranian people and back them on their right to determine their own future as opposed to say 'we are still going to side with the regime and try to appease it'—which has never given the people an actual chance for true and meaningful elections because there's no such thing in Iran as free elections or the ballot box. It's a mockery of democracy. It's shameful to pretend that there's actual elections in Iran. Nobody... they will laugh at you if you were to suggest that to any Iranians inside Iran. Some people in the outside world may be fooled, but you know you cannot fool all of the people all of the time. At some point it's going to blow in their face.

[I] Encourage you to study, to take a look at it. It is quite a comprehensive outline of every aspect of things that need to be addressed and anticipated. So indeed we are able to manage as much as we can all the areas that if not addressed properly could in fact bring us to a situation of having that vacuum as we talk about. But there's not going to be any vacuum for the simple reason that again, the majority of the people currently in a position in government offices or various state bureaucracies will remain in place. We're not asking people to go home and quit their jobs. So we have to be able to manage this transition understanding that the majority of these elements will be in place as far as the civil bureaucracies goes. So the functioning of the state and government continues while the interim government based on that proposal that we have will address all of these issues.

In fact even before we have a normal state of a democratic system we have various components that are part of it. The executive part of it, which is the transition government, is doing what a sort of transitional government would do, but you also have a legislative body which is some kind of a counselor and assembly where people will be there and supervising what's happening. We even have a completely independent legal team that will be addressing all the legal issues. So we already are incorporating even in the transition phase some kind of a checks and balance precisely to make sure that we're not leaving any stone uncovered.

And speaking of the legal part it's very important because I think especially after this genocide there's a lot of fact-finding that needs to be done. But we have had various models that we are implementing in the case of the Iranian scenario in terms of transitional justice, in terms of truth and reconciliation, what to do with the remnants of the regime, those who are criminally responsible. All of these issues are at play. The point is to make sure that we have a day of reckoning as far as people asking for justice. We are also talking about how to make sure that the mechanism of transition ensures a stable transition and that's where we incorporate all the defectors that join us including those that come from the military and paramilitary branches. I think all of these are the elements that will avoid the possibility of a vacuum. It is precisely [a] lesson learned from other failed regime change scenarios that we've seen recently whether in Iraq or in Libya for instance, and the case of Iran is very different from those countries number one, and we also have quite a number of institutions within Iran beyond the political organization, civil society and many others that will be part of this entire mechanism. So I urge you to take a look at that plan and I'm sure you will find a lot of answers to your question there."

بخش اول: سوال خبرنگار بی‌بی‌سی (کسری ناجی) مترجم: «از بی‌بی‌سی فارسی هستم کسری ناجی، خیلی متشکرم. گفتید که هم‌وطن شما از شما خواستن که رهبری این انتقال رو عهده‌دار باشید اما خب این روشنه که چنین نیست برای اینکه خیلیا از شما حمایت نمی‌کنن داخل ایران و خارج ایران. سؤال من اینه که چرا شما قادر نبودید که این‌ها رو با همدیگه متحد و یک‌صدا کنید؟ چرا شما نتونستید که صدای همه ایران باشید؟ چرا کشورهای خارجی از شما حمایت نمی‌کنن به عنوان صدای اپوزیسیون ایران؟ خیلی متشکرم.»

بخش دوم: پاسخ شاهزاده رضا پهلوی مترجم: «خب این از اون سؤال‌هاییست که از رسانه‌ای که شما نماینده‌اش هستید من انتظارشو دارم، از اون سؤال‌های تیپیکال [Typical] هست. شما آیا اسم دیگری شنیدید که در خیابان‌های ایران به جز اسم من صدا زده باشن؟ ... واقعیت اینه که اسم من رو صدا می‌زنن، اسم من رو که رو دیوارها می‌نویسن، اسم منه که تصمیم گرفتن که صدا بزنن، تصمیم گرفتن که به من اعتماد کنن. و البته که من دشمن هم دارم و البته کسانی هستند که شاید با ما اختلاف نظر داشته باشن. شما می‌تونید جدایی‌خواهان رو داشته باشید، شما می‌تونید اصلاح‌طلبان رژیم رو داشته باشید. البته که این‌ها دوستان من نیستن و من نماینده اون‌ها نیستم، البته که نیستم برای اینکه اون‌ها به این اصولی که ذکر کردن پایبند نیستن.

اما همه کسانی که اون چهار [اصل] رو بهش باور دارن ما با هم هستیم و این یک گروه متنوعی هست. ما هم پادشاهی‌خواه داریم، هم جمهوری‌خواه داریم، هم چپ، هم راست، هم میانه، اکتیویست داریم، هنرمند داریم، نمایندگان جوامع قومی رو داریم، اقلیت‌های مذهبی رو داریم... اگر نیاز به برهان و سند دارید برید ببینید که خیلی متنوعه و خیلی‌ها دارن حمایت می‌کنن و از رهبری من حمایت می‌کنن. بسیاری از اون‌ها می‌فهمن که من پلی هستم به سمت مقصد... من گفتم که من بی‌طرف هستم، فراتر از همه موضع من همینه که بریم به سمت نتیجه نهایی...

[در مورد حمایت غرب] من خواستار اندورسمنت [Endorsement] نشدم، من خواستار حمایت شخصی نشدم از کسی. من از غربی‌ها می‌خوام که از مردم ایران حمایت کنن... انتخابات اون‌ها دموکراسی که در ایران هست واقعاً تمسخر دموکراسی و انتخابات هست. به شما می‌خندن اگه شما بگید که صندوق رأی در ایران معنایی داره. برخیا در خارج از کشور ممکنه که فریب بخورن و فکر کنن که در ایران انتخابات هست ولی نمی‌تونید همه رو همزمان و همه هر دفعه فریب بدین.»